Monday, June 24, 2013

An Update

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Summary of my situation and tips for PMI removal
  • February 2013, I called Wells Fargo Home Mortgage (WFHM) and asked what it would take to get PMI removed when we hit 80% Loan-to-Value (LTV).  I was told that I had to get to 78% LTV.  Which was completely wrong.  I asked for additional guidance and was told to fax their resolution department.
  • I faxed the Resolution Department several times asking what it would take to remove PMI at 80$ LTV.  I was told that I had to get to 78%.  I pointed out the wording in the Homeowner's Protection Act.  
  • Finally, we paid to 80% LTV in May and sent in a letter demanding removal of PMI per the HPA
  • Several more letters come and go telling us that we need to get to 78% LTV.
  • I complain to every executive that I can find and start this blog.
  • An Executive Mortgage Specialist (EMS) sends a letter shortly after this.  She says that she understands that I am frustrated, but WFHM needs a "current valuation."  She does not acknowledge that PMI can be removed at 80% LTV.
  • After getting nowhere, I submit a complaint to the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) in August.  A 2nd EMS contacts me, with the same form letter saying that my complain is complex and they need some time.  I should scan these in for the humor.
  • After 2 months with the 2nd EMS, he comes back with information from the PMI department.  They will remove PMI if I can get a current appraisal.  At this point, prices have been dropping, and I didn't think that it would make the 80% LTV, unlike February when I first requested.
  • Three months after the OCC complaint, OCC forwards it to the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau (CFPB).  This gets me a 3rd EMS, who doesn't know what the first two had done.  I got her up to speed, and then she stopped talking me because they mark the case as resolved after the offer.
At no point did WFHM acknowledge that they were lying/misleading customers/incompetent.  Their final offer was for me to get an appraisal more than six months after I first requested directions on how to remove PMI.  I found this to be unacceptable, but I don't have any contact with the EMS anymore because they closed the case.  I guess I could open another complaint.  Now that prices have gone up again, an appraisal would certainly prove that the value had not dropped.

We did get to 78% LVT last year, and WFHM did remove PMI at that point and close our escrow account.  That had its own minor hiccups.

My tip is to read the Homeowners Protection Act.  You can request PMI to be removed if you meet certain conditions.  The HPA says that if you make a written request (and you meet the minimum requirements), are current, and have a good payment history, then the last condition is:
the borrower satisfies any requirement of the mortgage holder for: 
(i) evidence of a type established in advance that the value of the property has not declined below the original value; and (ii) certification that the borrower’s equity in the property is not subject to a subordinate lien


My point is that WFHM did not requested this evidence until months after I originally requested to remove PMI.  Further, it is made optional in my PMI disclosure for this loan.  They also did not respond within 30 days of my request to have PMI removed.

Any lawyers out there?

5 comments:

  1. I bought my home 2 years ago and used another mortgage provider. My loan was sold/transfered to WF. Now, the value of my home has gone up enough that I believe with a new appraisal I should be eligible to cancel my PMI. However, WFHM, after two email requests and two phone requests, still has failed to send me the relevant materials I need to start the process. They claim the materials can only be sent by mail "so they are not misinterpreted". I've now been waiting more than a month and now I'm stuck w/ yet another PMI payment.

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  2. LTV is based on the current appraised value or market value of home correct? Wells Fargo sent me a letter stating that they require 5 years AND 78% LTV based on the principal balance of the loan. This is not what I have been reading and need some help understanding what is going on here.

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  3. All, I am in the same boat. My loan was purchased by Wells fargo and my lTV based on comps I believe exceed 80% LTV. I am trying to initiate an appraisal to be made but they want me to sign their documents that state I am getting an appraisal based on home improvement driving up my value of my home, not Current Value. I don't agree with this based on what Fannie Mae told me. On top of this I went back to my original lender and they told me that in my loan docs I did not sign anything that states wells fargo can do this to me. Everytime I call and depends who I am takling to they give me the run around. The last person told me that I am out of luck that this is there guidelines. I am seeking a lawyer. I called two so far and both of them told me they can't work with me cause Wells Fargo is their Client. Uhhg.

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  4. We ended up getting a conventional refi with our original mortgage lender removing our PMI and got close to our original interest rate.

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